Re: #5843 from MARK T ENGLISH on June 15, 1998 in ECULAUGH

Any posting that starts/needs "true story" is suspected as being an
illustration and not good clean religious humor.

Any posting that invites "have a field day with its application" is
suspected as an illustration (BOTTOM DRAWER) not Good Clean Religious
Humor.

In my opinion, flawed as that is, your post is an humorous illustration
(BOTTOM DRAWER?) and funny (JOKES?).  That is not enough for ECULAUGH,
which is GOOD CLEAN RELIGIOUS HUMOR, (all four).

It was removed and returned because I detect no religious reference
necessary to the humor. It would help me be a better moderator if you could
point out the religious part necessary to "get" the humor.  Perhaps being
helpful is not your goal.

I'm having a very nice break at General Assembly in Charlotte.  Thanks for
your concern and for your comment here in ECULAUGH COMMENTS.

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 from "ECULAUGH"

5843 (of 5843) MARK T ENGLISH June 15, 1998 at 23:00 Eastern (751
characters)

True story--

    Pulling aside for a firetruck, my car gets stuck (slipping down to
under-construction shoulder). It's raining buckets. I go to one house, 2
houses. Finally 3rd house has somebody home. He's already called police
(yay!). I ask to use phone to call wife. OK. I ask to use bathroom.  OK.
I go out to car when I see cop car (which keeps on going). I go back to
house--I ask to use phone to call AAA. Won't let me in.

    "I don't mind helping out. But I don't want to make it a habit."

(Have a field day with its application!)



 Mark English...living in lovely Leola, PA, laboring in long term care
 for Luthercare in Lancaster County, and liking alliteration.

 home:Mark_T_English@ecunet.org            office:MarkE@luthercare.org

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On the road again. ECULAUGHS behave while I'm gone.

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Re: #2305 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on June 20, 1998

Got a limited connection while on vacation. Please be patient with
off-topics note. It might take me over 24 hours to remove and return them
this week.


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Re: #627 from INTERNET on June 20, 1998

Subject: From ECULAUGH Web Page
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 9:45:35 EDT
   George and Diane Poirier 
   noelpo@courant.infi.net 

   Great job ! Thoroughly enjoyed your material !  Our love and
   PRAYERS .....  Will visit again .

 > THINGS YOU NEVER HEAR IN CHURCH / FROM PASTORS???

 > 5-c.   Forget the denominational minimum salary:
 >        let's pay our pastor so s/he can live like
 >            we do.
 > 5-p.  The church's overall dedication to mission
 >        is so important that I'm willing to become a
 >        "tentmaker" to supplement my income.

    Hail, that's exactly what I said 4 years ago. And, I'm now working
outside the church in a secular job so that I can supplement my income as a
pastor. What's so unusual about that?



  5745 South 700 West, Murray, Utah 84123   Telephone: 801/269-8827
  (Written on 06/22/98 at  8:35 pm MST)

Re: #98.290395 from MITCH OR SUE TRIGGER on June 23, 1998

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98.290395 by MITCH OR SUE TRIGGER, June 23, 1998 at 23:33 Eastern 


Mr. Ramsey...
    What, pray tell, is going on in ECULAUGH?  I am highly surprised that
you let note #5860 from KIM HARANO on to the meeting.  This doesn't seem to
meet the criteria for the meeting, for there is nothing humorous about
Kim's "rebuttal."  The "pastor" lines have no elements of humor but seem
rather to be a mean-spirited shot at the clergy.  There are no elements of
satire as there were in Linda Craft's note.  I am going to assume that you
are or were on vacation and Kim's note slipped by you.  At least that will
be my hope.

Mitch Trigger



"When bad men combine, the good must associate;  else they will fall, one
by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
                                               - Edmund Burke (1729-97)

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Re: #98.290788 from JOE PARRISH on June 24, 1998

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98.290788 by JOE PARRISH, June 24, 1998 at 9:44 Eastern 
SUBJECT: GOOD CLEAN RELIGIOUS HUMOR | ALL ELSE: "ECULAUGH COMMENTS" |
POSTED ON WEB

Subject: Good Clean Religious Humor | All Else: "Eculaugh Comments" |
Posted On Web 

Reply from Joe Parrish to #5863 From J Christy Ramsey, Tue Jun 23 at 3:39p

Regarding the copyright question, what exactly is copyrighted about
Eculaugh--every post, your posts, nothing, some things?
Would appreciate it if you could clarify.
Many thanks,
Joe


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Re: #98.290788 from JOE PARRISH on June 24, 1998

 > Regarding the copyright question, what exactly is copyrighted about
 > Eculaugh--every post, your posts, nothing, some things?
 > Would appreciate it if you could clarify.

Glad to. Please read FAQ ECULAUGH note #1 and Copyrights Note #20

Thanks.

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Re: #98.290395 from MITCH OR SUE TRIGGER on June 23, 1998

Lots of merit in your note MITCH. Being a pastor I was trying to have a
thick skin. I've reviewed it again and will look at it once more. May still
remove and return it.

Thanks for the catch.

I re-read it and you're right. It isn't humorous. I removed it.

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Requests 
Reply from Joe Parrish to #2311 From J Christy Ramsey, Wed Jun 24 at 4:05p

From "Copyrights" I saw: 
" All notes I write under any inbox name are considered published material
and copyrighted the year written."
and then nothing to this point on the Faq Eculaugh, so my conclusion is that
only items posted under your inbox name(s) are copyrighted.  If it says
someone else's name and not yours it is not copyrighted as I read that.
Thanks,
Joe


--- Original Note #2311 From J Christy Ramsey, Wed Jun 24 at 4:05p ---

>Re: #98.290788 from JOE PARRISH on June 24, 1998
>
> > Regarding the copyright question, what exactly is copyrighted about
> > Eculaugh--every post, your posts, nothing, some things?
> > Would appreciate it if you could clarify.
>
>Glad to. Please read FAQ ECULAUGH note #1 and Copyrights Note #20
>
>Thanks.
>
> << http://www.bright.net/ >>~jramsey * Copyright 1998 * See COPYRIGHTS Note
#20

Re: #98.293583 from WILLIAM WINSL OW on June 25, 1998


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98.293583 by WILLIAM WINSLOW, June 25, 1998 at 10:42 Eastern 
PUBLIC RECORD

Re: #98.291489 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on June 24, 1998

Light at the end of the tunnel. Now that you mention it, it was always your
name that appeared, and I kept thinking to myself, boy, this guy must have
some bad jokes. They keep getting rejected. Thanks for the clarification.
My apologies for muddying up the water.


 WILLIAM_WINSLOW.parti@ecunet.org

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Re: #2313 from JOE PARRISH on June 24, 1998

I don't know what you mean by:

 > and then nothing to this point on the Faq Eculaugh, so my conclusion is

Note #1 has a large section on COPYRIGHT. It isn't an active meeting, one
has to request note #1, (but you obviously did so to get note #20 of
COPYRIGHTS) I'll check.


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Re: #2312 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on June 24, 1998

Glad to hear from Mitch on that note. I understood the person's concern but
as he and you both said, and I thought to myself, "This isn't really
funny." I'll have to ponder a while and thing of some things parishioners
might think are signs of the world coming to end that pastors say -- that
are truly funny. Like: "Sure, you can come and live with me any time." Or
"Yes, I have the Bible memorized from cover to cover and I believe every
word of it is inerrant and inspired by God." Or, "You are absolutely right,
I don't deserve as much salary as I get. Let's give me a $2,000 decrease!"
Or "I'd be delighted to give a two-minute sermon every Sunday!"
Heck, these aren't even that funny.

Oh, well.

It's the ones whose notes that get "dumped" that need the thicker skin. I
know. I've been there!  <VBG>

--Mary Jo
 _________________________________________________________________________
 MJ KOEHLER at home in Moorcroft, Wyoming on Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at  5:17 pm.

Re: #2315 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on June 25, 1998

I checked COPYRIGHTS Note #20 and it specifically addresses ECULAUGH posts
as I remembered. There shouldn't be anything copyrighted there. I do
ask that you don't steal my URL prayer without giving proper credit to me,
the author.

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Requests 
Reply from Joe Parrish to #2317 From J Christy Ramsey, Thu Jun 25 at 9:12p

Thanks, JC.  Just wanted to be sure I wasn't setting myself or someone else up
by passing along a bit of light for their day.  Indeed, if I should copy your
prayer(s) I shall give appropriate due.  We do appreciate your
meeting--several have commented positively about it to me, and hopefully to
you.  If the Iowa thing comes about we hope you will continue.  Otherwise, too
much gloom and doom to face without light, life, and a smile.
Joe

--- Original Note #2317 From J Christy Ramsey, Thu Jun 25 at 9:12p ---

>Re: #2315 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on June 25, 1998
>
>I checked COPYRIGHTS Note #20 and it specifically addresses ECULAUGH posts
>as I remembered. There shouldn't be anything copyrighted there. I do
>ask that you don't steal my URL prayer without giving proper credit to me,
>the author.
>
> << http://www.bright.net/ >>~jramsey * Copyright 1998 * See COPYRIGHTS Note
#20

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 from "ECULAUGH"
 
5874 (of 5875) J CHRISTY RAMSEY June 28, 1998 at 22:41 Eastern (2541
characters)
  
Subject: From ECULAUGH Web Page 
   Kay Koehler  
   knkva@gte.net  
 
   This is being used on our church page: 
   http://home1.gte.net/knkva/1fpc.htm 
    
   Light Side 
    
   A little humor  
   If you know a good "church" joke, email us! 
   This week's is from Franklin Zirkle 
    
   CHILDREN'S LETTERS TO GOD 


  
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    These sure sound like some copyrighted material taken from David
Heller's little book, DEAR GOD: CHILDREN'S LETTERS TO GOD.


  5745 South 700 West, Murray, Utah 84123   Telephone: 801/269-8827
  (Written on 06/29/98 at  6:09 pm MST)

Re: #2319 from RAY KERLEY on June 30, 1998
About: COPYRIGHT

You're right RAY, it is gone now.  Thanks for the gentle reminder.

Non-quoted portions Copyright 1998 - Christy Ramsey - COPYRIGHTS Note #20

 I fight only real threats

EDICT FROM HIS MAJESTY

Read note #0 of "JOKES" and you will see that religious jokes are for
"ECULAUGH", not jokes.

I decree that that rule is hereafter to be ignored.

Reason:  Not all religious-based humor is appropriate for "ECULAUGH" as the
FAQ must be strictly interpreted.  THEREFORE, TO WIT AMD IN TASTE, "JOKES"
will welcome "ECULAUGH" rejects so long as they are of a nature that, though
not perhaps appropriate for a sermon illustration, would be appropriate for a
church board meeting provided the right people are absent.

PEACE!
HIS MAJESTY, DAVID

C. David Salico
Sennett Federated Church (ABCUSA/PCUSA)
7767 Weedsport Sennett Road
Sennett, New York 13021-8907

Convene address: CDavid Salico
also kcds@worldnet.att.net
and kcds1@juno.com

Thanks for the reference DAVID.

ECULAUGH's religious requirement does not refer to whether a joke is for a
sermon illustration. Just because a joke is told in a church doesn't make
the joke religious (same for people but that is another meeting)

Religious in the small world of ECULAUGH humor that needs the religious
reference to make sense or be humorous. More than you want to know in FAQ
ECULAUGH Note #1 or on the web off the ECULAUGH pages on the Resource
section of www.pcusa.org

We now return you to JOKES. Best Wishes.


Non-quoted portions Copyright 1998 - Christy Ramsey - COPYRIGHTS Note #20

 I continue toward my goal at all times

Subject: From ECULAUGH Web Page
   Tom Blair 
   Tblair6991@aol.com 


   Here's the situation.
   
   We've got a new sign for the church-- one large enough for witty quips &
quotes....
   
   Where is a resource for these?
   
   Let me know--- fast !
   
   Thanks,
   
   Rev. T Blair
   
   Doe Run Presbyterian
   Coatesville, Pa