Re: #2416 from LARRY MOIR on Oct. 25, 1998

Thanks. Larry, I'll get if off. Should have caught that one.


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

 > 6160 (of 6160) TBROBB Oct. 24, 1998 at 12:28 Eastern (481 characters)
 >
 > Subject: Personal to Christy Ramsey
 >
 > PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL

To about 1,000 people on the web and hundreds on ECUNET.

I think this qualifies as mutiny. <wink> I'll take away his ECULAUGH
electronic pencil. Sorry about that post in ECULAUGH folks.


 vvvvv  Here is the condescending, patronizing messages      vvvv
 vvvvv  of explanation that insults others                   vvvv
 vvvvv  I've changed the JOHN to CHRISTY other suggestions?  vvvv

Re: #6156 from TBROBB on Oct. 23, 1998

Greetings! Thanks for offering your note to ECULAUGH
   Where GOOD CLEAN RELIGIOUS HUMOR is published on the WORLD WIDE WEB.

I am JOHN RAMSEY, the current moderator of ECULAUGH. It is my turn to
keep ECULAUGH to its narrow purpose of publishing Good, Clean, Religious,
Humor. This purpose was established years ago and upheld by a series of
volunteer moderators. (For more information about ECULAUGH, see end)

     I regret I cannot personally reply to ECULAUGH members,
     all 1,000-2,000 of them.  Do NOT send a reply to my
     personal inbox. I maintain the meeting ECULAUGH COMMENTS
     for replies and discussion of ECULAUGH. Choose that
     destination instead.

I decided that this note was more a comment about humor than
Good & Clean & Religious & Humor. (a subjective decision I realize,
for example: I consider small additions or alternatives to posted humor
comments not humor, as well as most stories that begin "This really
happened..." which usually are only humorous to the people involved at the
time.)

ECULAUGH COMMENTS welcomes comments about ECULAUGH.

A personal note sent directly to the author of a note in ECULAUGH is often
an option for a comment, if you meant to do this and just slipped, don't
worry, everyone has done it. Convene for DOS offers F9 for replies to
prevent "automatic" replies of F8.


Do NOT reply directly to this note.  Any replies sent to this note (JOHN
RAMSEY) usually are quoted and replied to in the public meeting ECULAUGH
COMMENTS. Replies are welcome there = NOT = to my personal inbox.
Do = NOT = quote this entire note in your reply.

 MORE info about ECULAUGH in note #0 and ECULAUGH NAGS Notes 0 & 1
   (Convene for DOS users can press F6 to request old notes)



   vvv Your Note Returned vvv

6156 (of 6156) TBROBB Oct. 23, 1998 at 14:26 Eastern (553 characters)

Subject: Good Clean Religious Humor | All Else: "Eculaugh Comments" |
Posted On Web

Reply from tbrobb to #6154 From J Christy Ramsey, Fri Oct 23 at 6:48a

Hard to top "Holy Spigot" in film Four Weddings and a Funeral.   Ponder the
various images of the term "spigot" and it might work into a bit of
theological fun by definition.

--- Original Note #6154 From J Christy Ramsey, Fri Oct 23 at 6:48a ---

>Subject: From ECULAUGH Web Page
>   Gary F. Turner
>   fumc@eastland.net
>
>
>   How about Holy Spirit humor?


   ^^^ End of Your Note ^^^

 Non quoted portions Copyright (c) 1998 Christy Ramsey. Not to be
reproduced.
 See "COPYRIGHTS" note #20


  ^^^^^^^^^  End of patronizing...etc. note ^^^^^^^^^

 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

           vvvvvvvvvvv Copy of note sent to TBROBB vvvvvvvvvvv

Re: #6160 from TBROBB on Oct. 24, 1998

Greetings! Here is your note back. It is welcome in ECULAUGH COMMENTS not
in ECULAUGH. I don't delete notes, I remove and return them. Some folks
value their notes and don't keep copies. My practice of returning
them with explanation allows folks to re-edit them for ECULAUGH or
repost them elsewhere.  It is troublesome, but I believe a responsible,
helpful and respectful way of moderating ECULAUGH even though some
experience it as patronizing. (Suggestions on less patronizing phrases,
words, etc. are welcome in ECULAUGH COMMENTS.)

Your note has already been quoted in ECULAUGH COMMENTS by another user. 
Don't know why you write ECUNET can't find it. (Don't exactly know 
what you mean by that.) I'll send you another invite.

I've updated the note so it refers to CHRISTY RAMSEY instead of JOHN
RAMSEY.  Sorry if that was confusing.

I've removed your writing privilages in ECULAUGH. You can still read
ECULAUGH if you care to, but your posts to ECULAUGH will be rejected.

If you wish write access to ECULAUGH, post a note to me, CHRISTY RAMSEY, or
to the ECULAUGH COMMENTS meeting saying you will observe the boundaries of
the meeting and I'll turn it back on.

I expect members to do their own editing and not just dump stuff in
ECULAUGH and expect me to sort it out by "my" criteria (its not my
criteria, I'm just on duty right now).  Thankfully, 99% of the members do
this. If you choose not to be that responsibile for your posts, that's
fine; there are meetings other than ECULAUGH to post in.

This is also sent to ECULAUGH COMMENTS. Any reply to CHRISTY RAMSEY will be
sent to ECULAUGH COMMENTS as well. Comments about ECULAUGH are always
welcome in ECULAUGH COMMENTS.


 *** Original (but possibly edited) note follows ***

 from "ECULAUGH"

6160 (of 6160) TBROBB Oct. 24, 1998 at 12:28 Eastern (481 characters)

Subject: Personal to Christy Ramsey

PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL

Ecunet can't find ECULAUGH COMMENTS.
You won't accept response to your personal inbox.
This is the only way I know to respond to your message.

Please cancel my submissions anytime they don't fit
your criteria.

Please do not write me condescending, patronizing
messages of explanation.

For that matter.  Please don't insult others with
similar messages.

Have a good day.



 ***  End of original note ***


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Re: #98.494389 from TBROBB on Oct. 27, 1998



 *** Original (but possibly edited) note follows ***
 
98.494389 by TBROBB, Oct. 27, 1998 at 17:42 Eastern 



Your latest note is even more arrogant than the first.

Being unwilling to be censored, I have left the meeting.

I will no longer read hairy old chesnuts on ECULAUGH.

Tom Robb

 ***  End of original note *** 


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Arrgh. 11 people (so far) have written "Me too!" notes after a person
advertised the availability of silly Lutheran songs. If just 10% asked in
the meeting for the songs, that would be 100 notes. (Last I checked,
ECULAUGH had over a 1,000 members. I need to check again.)

By the way of a reminder?! ECULAUGH is shut off from the Internet to stop
the spammers and other abusers. In other words, one cannot email ECULAUGH.
The form on the web page sends submissions to a hidden ECUNET meeting where
I review and at times, redirect them to ECULAUGH.

 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Besides the standard opening, closing, and comment paragraph, I added this
to the note to S JEANNE GILES who innocently started the "ME TOO"
avalanche. Posted here for accountibility....


 > ECULAUGH does not accept Internet email. Other wise it quickly
 > fills with spam from the Internet. She could email them
 > to you and you could post them. Or she could cut and paste them
 > into the form from the www.pcusa.org web site. (ECULAUGH is a choice
 > on the drop down menu)

 
   vvv Your Note Returned vvv
 
6162 (of 6175) S JEANNE GILES Oct. 26, 1998 at 21:31 Eastern (195
characters)
  

My daughter has the Lutheranns silly songs for any church occasion typed
out.  She is willing to e-mail them, but you need to put your e-mail
address on Eculaugh.
  
   ^^^ End of Your Note ^^^


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Subject: From ECULAUGH Web Page

   humor go ! go!

     I would like to have a copy of your "silly songs." Is this where I
request them? 
 
     Written at 0811, 28 October 1998. 
 
psshults@sota-oh.com 
peter_shults@ecunet.org 

Re: #2424 from PETER SHULTS on Oct. 28, 1998

I'm glad someone FINALLY and WISELY responded to the "silly songs" query
via comments, not Eculaugh proper. I was frustrated by having to read all
those, "me, too!" responses, but I know that they can't all be deleted
right away, nor can the original note, before SOMEONE reads it. And I know
that SOMEONE (any given number of SOMEONEs) always either (a) disregards
the rules of the meeting or (b) doesn't read the rules at all. Therefore
these things will happen much to our dismay.

But I find myself wishing the person had said, "Please send a note to my
inbox if you'd like a copy of the 'silly songs.' " Better yet, I wish
they'd not sent the note to ECULAUGH but to another place where things are
more free-form.

Just had to get this off my (small) chest. <G>

MJK

 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mary Jo Koehler, at the church at this address:
 MOORCROFT WY <moorcroft.wy@pcusa.org>
 or, for personal notes: MJ KOEHLER or <mj.koehler@pcusa.org>.

Re: #2422 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on Oct. 27, 1998

 *** Original (but possibly edited) note follows *** 
 
 > My daughter has the Lutheranns silly songs for any church occasion typed
 > out.  She is willing to e-mail them, but you need to put your e-mail
 > address on Eculaugh.

*** End of Note ***

Paralleling my previous post, if I understand it correctly no one had to
send their e-mail addresses to ECULAUGH in order to get a copy of "Silly
Songs." They could have sent the addresses to her personal inbox which
would have been, for internet e-mailers, <s_jeanne_giles@ecunet.org>.

Now, how about silly songs for Presbyterians? <G>
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mary Jo Koehler, at the church at this address:
 MOORCROFT WY <moorcroft.wy@pcusa.org>
 or, for personal notes: MJ KOEHLER or <mj.koehler@pcusa.org>.

Re: #2425 from MOORCROFT WY on Oct. 28, 1998

THanks for understanding why some of the "me toos" get through Mary Jo. So
far I have removed and returned 23 of them. I hope you missed at least a
couple!

 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Re: #6173 from RON MILLER on Oct. 27, 1998

NO! NO! A THOUSAND TIMES, NO!

Not all of us want the complete selection of Lutheran silly songs.

 *** Original (but possibly edited) note follows ***
 
 from "ECULAUGH"
 
6173 (of 6173) RON MILLER Oct. 27, 1998 at 16:03 Eastern (661 characters)
  
Subject: Good Clean Religious Humor | All Else: "Eculaugh Comments" |
Posted On Web 

Reply from Ron Miller to #6162 From S Jeanne Giles, Mon Oct 26 at 9:31p

With all the other requests for them, why don't you send them to me and
post them here.

--- Original Note #6162 From S Jeanne Giles, Mon Oct 26 at 9:31p ---

>My daughter has the Lutheranns silly songs for any church occasion typed
out.  >She is willing to e-mail them, but you need to put your e-mail
address on >Eculaugh.


Ron Miller, Baltimore, MD       
Coordinator, Associated Parishes for Liturgy and Mission
a.k.a. rh.miller@ibm.net or (The Rev. Ronald H.)

  
 ***  End of original note *** 


 Larry
 Watertown, NY
   10/28/98  10:18 pm

Re: #2425 from MOORCROFT WY on Oct. 28, 1998
Re: #2424 from PETER SHULTS on Oct. 28, 1998

 > I'm glad someone FINALLY and WISELY responded to the "silly songs" query
 > via comments, not Eculaugh proper. I was frustrated by having to read

Why don't people simply send their request directly to the one who is
offering, instead of ECULAUGH or ECULAUGH COMMENTS?

My wife is a Lutheran -- that's all the silly Lutheran I can handle. <G>
Ouch! I ahve just experienced "anfechtung" at the hands of my wife.

 Larry
 Watertown, NY
   10/28/98  10:29 pm

Re: #98.497111 from BONNIE JEAN ANDERSON on Oct. 28, 1998

 * Original (but sent to my inbox for even more work) note follows *
 
98.497111 by BONNIE JEAN ANDERSON, Oct. 28, 1998 at 20:07 Eastern 
RE: THAT'S NICE... (BONNIE ANDERSON) 

So... 
 
My daughter has the Lutheranns silly songs for any church occasion typed
out. She is willing to e-mail them, but you need to put your e-mail address
on Eculaugh. 
 
I was responding, or trying to respond to this note, which you posted.  How
about some directions or an explanation that makes sense. 
 
Thanks! 
 
Bonnie 

 ***  End of original note *** 

Re: #98.497111 from BONNIE JEAN ANDERSON on Oct. 28, 1998

 > I was responding, or trying to respond to this note, which you posted.
 > How about some directions or an explanation that makes sense.

How about some specifics of where you are stuck?

Believe it or not, I did my best the first time around. I didn't
write you a personal note just to confuse you with nonsense.

What don't you understand?  What have you tried?

Here is how I see it:

    A. Your daughter can email to Internet address
    B. Your internet address is BONNIE.JEAN.ANDERSON@ecunet.org
    C. Your daughter can email you the songs at the above address
    D. You can post the songs to ECULAUGH.

Where am I lost or losing you? Did you not know about b. perhaps?

Might want to review note #1 of FAQ ECULAUGH to help decide if the
songs are GOOD CLEAN RELIGIOUS HUMOR.

Sigh, I just got notes about my patronizing attitude. Then I get a note
that my instructions don't make sense. Hard to hit the right level. Betten
patronizing and unclear.


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Re: #6197 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on Oct. 28, 1998

Whoops! Was this a comment? <G> Three lashes with a wet noodle Christy. <g>

 *** Original (but possibly edited) note follows ***
 
 from "ECULAUGH"
 
6197 (of 6197) J CHRISTY RAMSEY Oct. 28, 1998 at 22:34 Eastern (827
characters)
  
Just checked the roster. Wow. Even though PresbyNet/EcuNet membership has
remained just about even ECULAUGH seems to have grown. I thought it was
just over 1,000 members last year....

    2166 - Members of ECULAUGH
     138 - Members of ECULAUGH COMMENTS

Seems a lot of folks can do without the comments...which is the reason
comments are in this meeting instead of the main ECULAUGH meeting.

Just about 1% of the folks (so far) are "ME TOO!" people. Pretty darn good.
Close to 99% of ECULAUGH members have resisted putting personal

    PLEASE SEND ME THE SILLY SONGS TOO

notes even though it is easy to do. Of course some didn't get a chance to
see the triggering note before I removed and returned it. I'll credit their
restraint anyway. <wink>


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

 ***  End of original note *** 


 Larry
 Watertown, NY
   10/29/98  12:37 am

Re: #2432 from LARRY MOIR on Oct. 28, 1998
 *** Original (but possibly edited) note follows ***
Seems a lot of folks can do without the comments...which is the reason
comments are in this meeting instead of the main ECULAUGH meeting.

Just about 1% of the folks (so far) are "ME TOO!" people. Pretty darn good.
Close to 99% of ECULAUGH members have resisted putting personal
 ***  End of original note ***

I didn't know about the comments part at first, I happened to see it listed
in the frequent listing so I joined.  Perhaps the open invitation that was
posted in ECULAUGH will change those numbers.

Debbi_Buike.parti@ecunet.org, Secretary at St. Luke's Lutheran
Omaha Nebraska (somewhere in the Heart of America)
  (written on Thu, Oct 29, 1998, at  6:34 am)

Just checked the roster. Wow. Even though PresbyNet/EcuNet membership has
remained just about even ECULAUGH seems to have grown. I thought it was
just over 1,000 members last year....

    2166 - Members of ECULAUGH
     138 - Members of ECULAUGH COMMENTS

Seems a lot of folks can do without the comments...which is the reason
comments are in this meeting instead of the main ECULAUGH meeting.

Just about 1% of the folks (so far) are "ME TOO!" people. Pretty darn good.
Close to 99% of ECULAUGH members have resisted putting personal

    PLEASE SEND ME THE SILLY SONGS TOO

notes even though it is easy to do. Of course some didn't get a chance to
see the triggering note before I removed and returned it. I'll credit their
restraint anyway. <wink>


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Re: #2432 from LARRY MOIR on Oct. 28, 1998

Thanks LARRY it is gone now. That's another boo-boo for me.

 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Re: #2433 from DEBBI BUIKE on Oct. 29, 1998

 > I didn't know about the comments part at first, I happened to see it
 > listed in the frequent listing so I joined.  Perhaps the open invitation
 > that was posted in ECULAUGH will change those numbers.

Accidently posted in ECULAUGH.  <blush>

ECULAUGH COMMENTS is in the topic line of ECULAUGH which appears with every
note in ECULAUGH (somewhat hidden but there) and every time I send out
invites to ECULAUGH I also send out invites to ECULAUGH COMMENTS to the
same meetings.


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