Until today, I did not know there was a meeting called  ECULAUGH COMMENTS.  I
am sorry - I never saw any reference to it. Sorry for breaking the rules. 
	 Does this mean that all of us who said we wanted the silly songs, need to
re-address our request?  I have now joined ECULAUGH COMMENTS and will follow
the rules.  Given the huge number of people who sinned as I did, I think many
others did not know they were operating outside the guidelines.

Re: #2437 from JOANNE BOGART on Oct. 29, 1998

 > Given the huge number of people who sinned as I did, I think many others
 > did not know they were operating outside the guidelines.

Thanks for the note Joanne.

- Everyone gets a invite to ECULAUGH COMMENTS when they get an
  invite to ECULAUGH. (I always send both when sending them out.)

- The topic line of the meeting refers to ECULAUGH COMMENTS

- When folks join ECULAUGH they get the topic note which encourages
  them to also join ECULAUGH COMMENTS

- Any time anyone strays they get a personal invite to ECULAUGH COMMENTS

Some folks don't want to know the guidelines.

I could spam everyone in ECULAUGH with a personal invite to ECULAUGH
COMMENTS, or post a harrange/infomerical in ECULAUGH I suppose, but
everyone has already have had one which they missed/ignored/decided against
and 98% of the folks don't have a problem, seems overzealous to bother
2,000+ people for the few that miss. The ones who need it will ignore it
and it will just annoy the vast majority that don't need a reminder.

I don't think less than 2% of a meeting is a great number.  Just seems
great unless one realize that out of over 2,000 members less than 30 have
wrote "ME TOO"

 > Does this mean that all of us who said we wanted the silly songs, need
 > to re-address our request?

Uptopic (get previous notes to read if you have just joined) documents the
progress (or lack thereof) of getting the silly songs posted in ECULAUGH.
Of course, anyone can email the poster direct if they wish.

 > I have now joined ECULAUGH COMMENTS and will
 > follow the rules.

Thanks. I'll reset your counter. <g>

  Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey COPYRIGHTS #20 www.bright.net/~jramsey/

Re: #6197 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on Oct. 28, 1998

 *** Original (but possibly edited) note follows *** 

 > Just checked the roster. Wow. Even though PresbyNet/EcuNet membership
 > has remained just about even ECULAUGH seems to have grown. I thought it
 > was just over 1,000 members last year....

Shouldn't this note be in ECULAUGH COMMENTS instead of ECULAUGH? <G>

John 
                            JOHN SALMON
        Interim Pastor, Brookings (OR) Presbyterian Church
  By the grace of God a follower of Christ--and a Presbyterian!
                         Thu, Oct 29, 1998
Save the whales.  Collect the whole set.

Re: #2439 from JOHN SALMON on Oct. 29, 1998

You are right. I think that JOHN RAMSEY started going by his middle name
CHRISTY just to hide the fact he screws up ECULAUGH so often. <g>

I already got it out.

Trying to manage the "ME TOOs" that are now approaching 30 I missent that
one as you guessed.


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Re: #2435 from J CHRISTY RAMSEY on Oct. 29, 1998

Christy,
    Hey, You've got a life too. Moderating a busy meeting is adding to a
full plate.
    Now, if we can get rid of the Me Too spam . . . 

 Larry
 Watertown, NY
   10/29/98  10:14 pm

Re: #98.500653 from J COONE on Oct. 30, 1998

 *** Original (but sent to my inbox) note follows *** 
 
98.500653 by J COONE, Oct. 30, 1998 at 14:35 Eastern 


Message for Christy Ramsey

The long note recently posted by Mark T. English is filled with the
language of prejudice.  When we perpetrate the public display of
stereotypes we encourage others to focus on the weaknesses or
vunerabilities of those perceived as inferior.  It is amazing what we think
is funny when none of "those people" are around.  Well, as one who has
fought long and hard against demeaning speech, I would hope that you will
not continue to allow what perhaps this time was a merely an oversight of
this type prejudice.  Rather I would hope that you would endeavor to screen
out all material that is insulting and degrading to any specific group.
Generally you do a good job, but I believe you missed on this one.

Jim Coone
Slater, MO

 ***  End of original note *** 

 > The long note recently posted by Mark T. English is filled with the
 > language of prejudice....

I reviewed the note again and decided that at least half of the one-liners
were either not RELIGIOUS or not GOOD so I removed and returned them.

Hard to make a joke without making fun of something. 

Probably not enough to remove all someone may object to, and probably
enough to get someone to cry "CENSORSHIP!" although the ousted ones were
returned (not destroyed) for posting elsewhere. As long as I get both I
must be close.

(I wonder if USA TODAY will print anything I send...or will they "CENSOR"
me!? Horrors!)

Thanks for the alert/reminder.

 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

 ***  End of original note *** 


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Christy -

Thanks for catching up on the ECULAUGH INDEX.

John
                            JOHN SALMON
        Interim Pastor, Brookings (OR) Presbyterian Church
  By the grace of God a follower of Christ--and a Presbyterian!
                         Mon, Nov  2, 1998

Experience is the comb that Nature gives us when we are bald. - Belgian
 proverb

Re: #2444 from JOHN SALMON on Nov. 03, 1998

 > Thanks for catching up on the ECULAUGH INDEX.

Thanks for noticing. 


 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

 *** Original (but possibly edited) note follows *** 
 
 from "ECULAUGH"
 
6216 (of 6216) MARTHA MURRELL Nov. 04, 1998 at 10:31 Eastern (185
characters)
  
Does anyone have a particpating dentist in the DeltaCare plan that you
recommend in the downtown or Jeffersonville areas?  Enrollment ends
November 15. Thanks in advance for your help.

 ***  End of original note *** 

OK, is this supposed to be a joke -- or did it get fired off to the wrong
destination??? <VBG>


 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mary Jo Koehler, at the church at this address:
 MOORCROFT WY <moorcroft.wy@pcusa.org>
 or, for personal notes: MJ KOEHLER or <mj.koehler@pcusa.org>.

Requests 
Reply from Kent Elliott to #2445 From J Christy Ramsey, Tue Nov 3 at 1:05p

Oh, we all noticed (those who receive the meeting ECULAUGH INDEX), and we
appreciate your work. We just take you for granted, Christy. 

--- Original Note #2445 From J Christy Ramsey, Tue Nov 3 at 1:05p ---

>Re: #2444 from JOHN SALMON on Nov. 03, 1998
>
> > Thanks for catching up on the ECULAUGH INDEX.
>
>Thanks for noticing. 
>
>
> Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) << www.bright.net/~jramsey >>


Peace, 

Kent
	among the United Methodists in Buffalo and Kaycee, Wyoming
		< http://www.gbgm-umc.org/buffalo-kaycee >
= "You might as well fall flat on your face as lean over too far backward." -
James Thurber =

 >  from "ECULAUGH"

 > 6216 (of 6216) MARTHA MURRELL Nov. 04, 1998 at 10:31 Eastern (185
 > characters)
 >
 > Does anyone have a particpating dentist in the DeltaCare plan that you
 >
 >  ***  End of original note ***
 >
 > OK, is this supposed to be a joke -- or did it get fired off to the
 > wrong destination??? <VBG>


I hope the latter, I don't get it at all. Maybe it is some of that irony I
keep hearing about after I remove and return them. This one is removed and
returned. CENTER TALK would be a better place...

 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

Re: #2447 from KENT ELLIOTT on Nov. 04, 1998

Thanks KENT sometimes I wonder if I just do ECULAUGH in general and
ECULAUGH INDEX in particular just for my own amusement. <wink> Nice to
have a reality check now and then, someone's with me. Can I have an AMEN?!
<g>

 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

From ECULAUGH Web Page

   J. Cribbs 
   cribbs@uindy.edu 
   NOT for Presbyterians Today 

   "The Alto's Lament" is mentioned
   in today's EcuLaugh (11/6/98).
   
   Where may I obtain a copy
   of that?
   
   Thanks! 

From: WebForm <WebForm@ecunet.org>
   J. Cribbs 
   cribbs@uindy.edu 


Thanks for reading ECULAUGH via the web and sending in a comment! Glad to
have you with us.

The answer (or at least a response?!) is here:

    http://eculaugh.ecunet.org/ecunet/eculaugh/faqlaugh.html#Que11

Or just click on question mark for Frequently Asked Questions page. (It is
question 11.)


 >    "The Alto's Lament" is mentioned
 >    in today's EcuLaugh (11/6/98).
 >    
 >    Where may I obtain a copy of that?
 >    
 >    Thanks! 



 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

From: WebForm <WebForm@ecunet.org>

   cribbs

   cribbs@uindy.edu

   NOT for Presbyterians Today

   I would like a copy of the "Alto's Lament" as previously
   posted.  Does anyone have  a copy they could send me via
   e-mail?
   
   Thanks! 

Subject: From ECULAUGH Web Page
   Josh Dougan 
   jdougan@bomcm.com

   I am requesting humor or jokes with regards to the shortest people in
the Bible.
   Please Help
   
   Thank You
   
   Josh 

Requests 
Reply to #2453 From J Christy Ramsey, Fri Nov 6 at 8:44p

> 
>    I am requesting humor or jokes with regards to the shortest people in
> the Bible.
>    Please Help
>    

OOOOOHHH NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


Deacon Charlie Perrin, Episcopal Diocese of Long Island
written on Fri, Nov 6, 1998 at 21:28

This world is not Heaven. I pray that it isn't Hell.

Looks like those LutherAnns songs are copyrighted. Sigh.
I suspected as much, that is what I get for trusting people. I'll
keep doing it anyway. <g>

They have been removed as I try to clear the copyright issue and
encourage the poster to do the same....

 Copyright 1998 Christy Ramsey (COPYRIGHTS #20) www.bright.net/~jramsey

I'm not sure that I understand the recent note I recieved from Christy
Ramsey re: my note, #6227.  In that note I wrote concerning the several
request for (and subsequent posting of) "silly Lutheran songs."  The note
which posts the texts to the songs is #6220.  In a gently way I wanted
people to know that the songs are copywrited material.  I know that I could
have written a personal note to the author of note #6220 letting her know
that they are copyrighted.  But there are hundreds of people who read
Eculaugh who would continue to use the texts posted in #6220 without ever
knowing that to do so is illegal.  I understand that Eculaugh is just for
humor & that Eculaugh Comments is for critique, etc.  But really, who is
going to read a note posted to the meeting & then check the branch Eculaugh
Comments to verify the leagality of use?  If my note #6227 needs to be
removed from Eculaugh, then so too (in my opinion) does note #6220 need to
be removed.  Please help me better understand how we can ensure that the
Eculaugh meeting not become cluttered with nonhumorous postings and at the
same time ensure that there is an effective means to deal with postings of
material that is humorous, but which is illegal.

regards, gary 

Gary_L_Salmon@ecunet.org

St. James Lutheran Church
Pitman, NJ 08071